Green Drinks – Warwick Stanton? , Metiria Turei, oh dear…..

We went along to the Green Drinks last night. Hadn’t been for a while, but Prof Lloyd on ‘the connection between energy and finance’ sounded right up my alley. Polite people let the speaker do their presentation, then wait for question-time. One person – I’m told he is Metiria Turei’s partner Warwick Stanton – wasn’t so polite, and interrupted often.

Very quickly, it became obvious that he must have been a product of the ‘Business’ or ‘Commerce’ or Economics’ faculties. Talk of ‘services’, as if they can somehow soak up/displace the purchase of real items, as an eventual home for circulating proxy (for that is all that money is) was the give-away. How can these folk not see that sooner or later, all the ‘money’ that folk make from charging each other for services, eventually expects to be able to buy ‘bits of the planet’ (oil, food, processed resources). You can play the music and pass the parcel for a long time, but when the music stops….

If the Finance view was correct, we could all get wealthy without mining, aquaculture, farming, building, infrastructure. The need to grow ALL those physical activities, tells us the ‘services’ claim is humbug. That (buying physical bits of the planet) is the eventual home for ALL money, and the only real measure of ‘wealth’.

Jennie just thought he was a d-head, I though it was a bit more dangerous than that. This false – for it IS false – grasp of the place of finance in the real world, has no place in our future. Money is merely a proxy for future purchases. Non-resource-using services (if there are any – even a masseuse eats a BigAg-supplied breakfast, plies her trade in a fossil-fuel-expended building, and drove to work in a car) are a zero-sum balance either side of the ‘equals’ sign, but the real trail ends with the purchasing of ‘bits of the planet’. Clearly, via interest and profit charging, that demand for ‘bits of the planet’ is growing. Anyone who says different, I call a liar, or stupid. No third option.

If this nonsense infiltrates Green thinking, then they too have no place in our future. It might explain their slide into socialism (welfare, state housing, Holly Walker/Chch comments) of recent times. Green Growth is just as unsustainable as any other growth, and we are 30 years overdue for the public education on that. The old leadership clearly understood the Limits to Growth, this fellow apparently didn’t. The rudeness and the ‘self-importance’ aside, his belief – for that is what it is, a belief, alle same religion – has no place in Green policy, and no place in society if we are to survive what is ahead.

Sure, there is a need for optimism and proactivity. in leadership. Sure, that’s a difficult tight-rope, on  a planet temporarily carrying 7 billion, heading for perhaps 2 billion. Sooner or later folk will see through any horseshit. Talk of ‘the velocity of money’ won’t alleviate the problem that it is spun into existence as debt, expects the future to underwrite, and when the future clearly can’t, folk will be a tad annoyed. We are staring down the barrel of the biggest ‘value’ readjustment the planet has ever seen, and we need leaders who understand the ‘why’ of this.

I wasn’t reassured last night – not reassured at all.

 

David Clark Labour – spare me, you know better.

David Clark comes from Waitati. I’ve had discussions with him re Peak Oil, and the Limits to Growth. He is one of the new wave, and even if they do what has to be done, they’ll be running to catch up.

But no – we’re putting our efforts into holidays.
Spare me.    Socialism was about who got what part of the cake – bosses/shareholders or workers. We have an issue with how much cake remains; if we don’t address that, what’s the point in his silly holiday nonsense? The energy-supply issue absolutely eclipses personal desires, in terms of what ‘work’ is.

Get it together, Labour, or stand aside. (That goes for the socialist element of the Greens too – a retrograde step). Where, oh where, are the thinkers?

Sir Peter Gluckman – CSA – cognitively dissonant?

Sir Peter Gluckman was on National Radio last night, giving a speech/lecture, part of a Kim-Hill-hosted series.

I’ve mentioned his lack of ability to join the dots before, hereabouts, so it was interesting to hear him joining some – quite accurately – then dropping the ball in spades.

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Orange Roughy, Fracking, and the Big Picture.

Discussion this morning on Morning Report, re Orange Roughy. Also on ‘Asset Sales’. Big Picture, we always cherry-pick resources. We didn’t start with Orange Roughy, Patagonian Toothfish, or fracking-needing oil. We started with Grand-Banks Cod – 2-man dories pulling them in over the side. We started off whacking into the Canadian Halibut, anything close, shallow and abundant.
As we deplete those prime resources, the quality diminishes, as does the return on investment (takes more effort) and concurrently the green-fields options diminish. So we end up deep-sea dangling for Orange Roughy. So we start fishing the Ross Sea. So we need to mine Schedule Four. So we need to farm our coastal water (then our deep-water).

The big picture question isn’t whether Orange Roughy is or isn’t a threatened species, it’s “where are we in total resource depletion terms; why are we here, and how long have we got from this point?”

Not a lot of media asking the question.

Another proof that we’ve hit the limits, is the need to disinvest the poor from ‘Assets’ they currently own. That’s wealth-shift within a closed system, something you only need to do if you can’t grow.

Triflation – how long now?

Triflation – how long now?

 

Four years ago, I turned to Jennie as we watched the opening ceremony of the China Olympics, and said “This is it – we’re looking at the peak of human activity”.

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Local Government – sigh. John Key – sigh. Morning Report – an ‘F’.

The local Government conference is interesting. LG is there at the behest of Central Government, as I learned as a young County Councillor. The problem comes when Central Government, instead of assessing social needs, merely pursues a dogma/mantra, this one being the impossibility of ‘sustainable growth’.  At that point, those who represent people – and Local Government will always be closer to people than Central Government – have to draw a line in the sand.

And they have. Interesting to note that the Minister backpedaled immediately – speaks volumes as to where National are going; backwards.

 

John Key addressed them, stating that Central Govt has ‘done it’s bit, belt-tightening’, and it’s up to LG to do the same. That’s bloody rich, coming from someone who seeded the Dunedin Stadium with 15 million of taxpayers money, to keep us all in debt to it forever. Presumably he didn’t see it coming. Puts some of us a long way ahead of our leader, and that’s a worry.  🙂

Morning Report ‘covered’ the LG conference this morning. And other things. They’ve had enough info (from me. for one) to know why LG costs will escalate forever from here on: all the work they do requires energy, and all their materials are oil-based. You only have to track the price of oil, to track the rates-increase needed JUST TO MAINTAIN, let alone expand.

No comprende. The last complaing I sent them – it had a lot of references etc, and was an attempt to help them learn –  they duck-shoved to a ‘complaints’ person. No feedback, no change. They didn’t real the stuff I sent. Is it a case of ‘if I don’t know something, I can dodge addressing it’?      What a sad epitaph.

Kim Hill again – was there no good reporting in the week between?

I’ve said it before – we have only one reporter in this country, who ‘gets it. There are plenty of others who could be called ‘intelligent’, and to that could be added ‘enough’. They could get there IF THEY SO CHOSE.

In that list, I include Jim Mora, who’s pathetic Panel efforts this last week just make you wonder. The question about those folk – and I regard Mora as at least as cognitively-capable as me – is whether they are totally knowing but in denial, or seriously capable of genuine between-the-ears cognitive dissonance.

I’ve mentioned Joanne Black (Listener, Panel) in that list before. Opined that “I think there are too many people in the world”. Good on you Joanne, I urged at the speakers on the wall – and? Surely the flip-side of ‘too many people’ is ‘not ‘enough resources’. It’s not rocket science. And – if there aren’t enough resources, then the ability of the future to underwrite debt has to be some degree of short-fall. But – she goes on to enthuse about her house (I wouldn’t mind betting it’s old, and unsustainable in energy terms) do-up. Maybe hers was done with cast up-front – but most weren’t.

Closer to home, an ODT (Truth is part of their Mission Statement) man rejected an OP/ED piece from me, because “Folk would choke on their muesli”. That’s a long way from their avowed goal, if my OP/ED contained ‘the truth’.

This morning, Kim did a brilliant wee interview with a 16-year old (after 10.am). So on to it. He understood Peak Oil, realized we had to morph early, If he can do it, so clearly, there is no excuse for Mora. Mora has an obligation (the News of the Day in a Different Way?) to ascertain truth. If public radio can’t do it – who will?

 

Why do I care? Does it matter?  The answer to that is “Do you think our society owes it to future generations to give them a chance at life (not just our standard, but any) or do you think we’ll be extinct at some point, and it doesn’t matter which?”

 

I’d like to have a crack at the first option. It probably has collateral bonuses for almost every other species on the planet too. Roll on the raising of awareness. Roll on more fearless reporting. Good on you, Kim. How long before the ‘silence Lauder’ ethos organizes a ‘silence Kim’ one?